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Scott Cederlund, Madman or Visionary?
Posted: 04 February 2007 11:00 AM   [ Ignore ]
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(Okay, so the title was just a cheap ploy to get you here, reading, and replying!)

Scott, I’ve been thinking about your recent segment regarding your being letdown by Marvel’s Civil War. Here’s what I’m thinking:

We all got into comics at different ages, but what most of us have in common is that at some age we longed for our hobby, our passion, to have relevance, to mean something. For me, that was the early 70’s when I was about 15. I had started reading Marvel Comics in 1967 after years of reading everything else. Marvel comics had something I’d never seen before, the fact that they fit into the real world. My favorite was the X-men, and is it any wonder that a group of teens that don’t quite fit into the world around them, appealed to a geeky teen? But it was DC that published the first relevant story that I read, it was an issue of Green Lantern / Green Arrow, and featured a non-code approved story about Speedy being a drug addict. It suddenly occurred to me that comics could be more than entertainment. I was also becoming aware of what was going on around me, I was watching TV and seeing college students beat up and killed because they were against war, seemed pretty reasonable to me to be against war.

35 years later, I look back and chuckle at how simple the world seemed to me, I long for the days when there were two sides, the good and the bad, the white hats and the black hats. Unfortunately I’ve learned that everything is not black and white. But there is still a fifteen year old in me that likes to see things that way, and when I’m in that mode, things like Civil War appeal to me because they’re trying to be relevant and speak to me on different levels, show me that there is that grey area between black and white. But in the end, they are businessmen and they know that the comic has to appeal to their biggest audience which is those 15 year olds, be they actually 15 or the 15 year old within this 51 year old body. Sometimes that 15 year old is stronger than others. Sometimes I get tired of stories aimed at my inner 15 year old and it happens more and more everyday.

I will admit though that sometimes I want to appeal to the pre-teen in me and that’s when I delight to books like the Marvel Adventures comics, or some good old silver age books. Other times I want to massage my brain and then I look for something a bit more cerebral like Eddie Campbell, Warren Ellis, or many of the products of Drawn and Quaterly, Top Shelf and others of their ilk.

I guess that someone recently implied to Derek Coward that Civil War was simple and only simpletons would read it. I don’t feel that way at all. I think that we all have that inner 15 year old in us, sometimes we like to be there, and sometimes not. As we grow older, some of us spend less and less time there, some of us more, but I think anyone who is still reading comics has a pretty strong inner variety of ages within them, and I think that’s a good thing. Heaven knows I know enough folks who’ve lost it!

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Posted: 07 February 2007 01:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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C’mon Bruce, why does it have to be one or the other?  Can’t I be a visionary madman?

I had to print this up and may end up responding to it in sections as I’m typing this inbetween work.

I think I understand what you’re saying about comics appealing to the 15 year old inside of us and I thoroughly understand that.  I once wrote a real, honest-to-goodness letter to Amazing Heroes defending Secret Wars.  (For all of you collecting at home, it’s in the Swimsuit issue with Wonder Woman on the cover I think.) I have no problem accepting books aimed at different ages or different parts of my head.  I loved that I was able to buy Borderline and Shazam! today.  Both of those books are on opposite spectrums and yet I look forward to reading both tonight. 

I think what I’m tired of (and I’m probably guilty of this as well) is how we’re celebrating bad comics and how bad comics are becoming our tentpoles.  Civil War isn’t good.  It just plain isn’t.  I’m talking about the 7 issue mini by Millar and McNiven.  It stinks.  It blows.  It sucks.  It both sucks and blows.  It’s bad writing and lifeless art but yet so many are holding it up as some great comic achievement of the 21st century.  Derek’s rants I think are more about the actual events in the stories (I love hearing Derek blast Cap for being unpatriotic) but I’m just not liking the writing or the art in the book.  And maybe it is just me but I can’t understand the appeal of McNiven.  Never have and probably never will.  His characters are mannequins, lifeless and posed.  Millar is capable of good, even great, writing but all he’s turning in on this title is surface gloss.  There’s too many characters stabbing each other in the back for him to really focus on anything but the “kewl” moments of Cap & Iron Man.  There’s a good story somewhere in this plot but Millar isn’t able to pull it out.

Enough of my Civil War rantings. 

I’m tired of mediocre comics being held up as the pinnacle of human achievement.  I’m tired of mediocre books being held up as good comics.  I’m tired of the standard business practices of Marvel and DC and how they’re running their mainstream titles.  Neither company really seems to have a strong handle on what they’re doing and where they’re headed.  That’s not to say that neither company isn’t producing any quality work but the majority of both’s output is lacking.  As you quoted to me last week, “90% of everything is crap.” But I have a feeling that we’re accepting a lot of that 90% right now as comic readers and fans.

Also, on another forum, there was a topic about fans needing to go along with what Marvel and DC are doing, like we need to sit and wait to see where the stories are going.  No, we don’t.  We don’t owe anything to Marvel or DC other than to purchase good books or books that we like.  It was that comment that really set off last week’s rantings.  I don’t understand the idea of how we, the fans, need to go along with the story, hoping for a good resolution at the end.  I don’t know if the commenter meant it this way, but I read the statement as whether the comic is good or bad, we’ve got to ride it out until the end.  Again, no we don’t.

I need to throw a disclaimer in here-- I’ve bought all six issues of Civil War (the main title) and plan on buying the 7th.  The idea is good enough that I’m intrigued where this story goes even if I’m less than thrilled with the execution.  I’m even planning on getting a couple of the stories that spin out of this because of the talent involved.

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Posted: 07 February 2007 01:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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And let me say, I can understand the difference between liking something and holding something up as a masterpiece.  I just think too many people latch onto something that’s merely good and are eager to proclaim it as the greatest thing in the world.

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Posted: 09 February 2007 09:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Civil War did suck on pretty much every level.  Personally, I don’t think Marvel has the stones to see this through.  I think they’ll ret-con it all over the next few years and the whole thing will be forgotten like Spider-Man’s baby.

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