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Episode 39 - A new low.
Posted: 19 August 2008 11:24 PM   [ Ignore ]
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This show is serious… REAL serious. Two artsy-fartsy features that just sucked the fun out of both of us… sorry. Our features this week are Gummo and Man Bites Dog.

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Posted: 20 August 2008 02:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I love Man Bites Dog.  I watched it many times on VHS and then hadn’t seen it for ten years.  I got it on DVD last year but didn’t end up watching it until a few months ago.  I forgot how dark and disturbing that movie is.  It’s great but so bleak. A true classic.

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Posted: 20 August 2008 05:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I also like Man Bites Dog! I’ll be interested in hearing why you hated it so much….must synch iPod!

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Posted: 20 August 2008 05:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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First Outside the Cinema hated X-Men 2 (which makes wonder why I gave them a message board) and now you didn’t like Man Bites Dog.  What is wrong with this world?  Has everyone suddenly gone mad?

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Posted: 20 August 2008 06:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I enjoyed the show.  Any chance to hear F13 go off on the Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys is gold.  And I’m stoked about Godzilla.

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Posted: 20 August 2008 06:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Hey we are all entitled to our opinions, also the band New Lows…...........sick!

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Posted: 20 August 2008 08:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I think you guys can be a little hard on yourselves. It was a good episode. These are two films that can be on the alternate list for required viewing. Like a lot films that are important to see, they are hard to watch, but I’m glad you guys toughed through it to tell us about it. Some films should leave us a little shell-shocked. It is an appropriate response, and did not take anything away from the episode.

On Man Bites Dog. Saw it at some art house theater in Dayton when I was young & impressionable. I think it was my first brush with exploitation film and the Christmas couple scene was pretty rough. I remember being creeped out at how the relationship between the killer and the documentarians would change. I saw something similar on AMC last year about a thief and a documentary crew that was pretty interesting.

On Gummo. I grew up near Xenia and there was a buzz around there with the local tie-in and the metal soundtrack. I still don’t know if I understand it, but I have seen it more than once. It just happens. I like to think of the scene in Belly where the guys sit around watching it. If it is on, you can’t really ignore it.

The young professional paintballers of Southern California still call me Gummo (I used to work & travel for a magazine about professional paintball). They found out I used to spend every weekend of my high school years in Xenia. It wasn’t filmed there, but Gummo certainly captures the spirit of the place. It always seemed like there were a disproportionate number of disfigured people and crazies. I used to lead an interesting life with interesting people.

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Posted: 20 August 2008 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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One point about Gummo.. I’m not sure how much of Gummo’s IMDB trivia came from interviews with Korine, but we always have to remember that Harmony Korine seems incapable of telling consistent truth. The guy loves to lie in interviews.

Check out the clips of him on Letterman which are on youtube.

I really want to check out Mister Lonely, though. If it’s good enough for Werner Herzog, it’s good enough for me.

I really like both Man Bites Dog, and Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer. For the folks in this thread.. Which do you think are better?

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Posted: 20 August 2008 02:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Manos99 - 20 August 2008 11:04 AM

I really like both Man Bites Dog, and Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer. For the folks in this thread.. Which do you think are better?

Although I like both films for their very own reasons, Henry makes me more uneast for some reason….its the relationship between Henry and Otis that bothers me…...its just bizarre…..like they are flirting with each other through murder and death…...Man Bites Dog doesnt hold back, and I quite enjoy its bleak look at the dark side of human nature…..Henry just makes me uncomfortable….....

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Posted: 20 August 2008 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Man Bites Dog I saw about a month ago and I did like it a lot. There are some pretty funny parts in it while there are some truly disturbing ones as well. I would put it more in the Black Comedy category just because Ben is so over the top. When the crew are trying to cover up the bodies in the mud or whatever-the-hell it is and Ben yells at them from atop that hill I just sat there with my mouth opened and especially the scene where he shoots the black construction worker. I was tickled while being disturbed at the same time. I haven’t seen Gummo yet; I plan to in the next few weeks. Great episode!

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Posted: 21 August 2008 01:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I really like Man Bites Dog but I have to agree, once he goes to jail, the movie kind of goes in a different direction and doesn’t fill like the rest of the film.

I don’t agree with the comparison to Behind the Mask.  BtM exploits the conventions of the genre, while MBD is a commentary on society and being complicit in the violence.

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Posted: 21 August 2008 03:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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I haven’t seen Man bites dog since it was released on vhs, but remember liking it a lot and I also remember the original poster art caused a bit of a fuss. As far as Gummo goes…I hated that movie, and F13 hit the nail on the head. I am one of the people that shut it off half way through due to being completely smurfin bored. And the so called shocking scenes were not even all that shocking to me…just boring. Kids is a much better film.

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Posted: 21 August 2008 09:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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You guys didn’t seem as beaten and serious as you seem to have thought you came across. Another good episode.

Kids really didn’t do much for me.  I’ll give it that it was edgy for the time and I give it credit for pushing into the ‘mainstream’ a bit considering the NC-17 rating and content. The best part of this film: “I have no legs! I have no legs! Give me some money! I have no legs!”

Funny Games would have been awesome had it not been for Michael Pitt’s camera interaction and the whole freaking rewind seen after Naomi Watts kills off Brad Corbet. That was just dumb. Could Tim Roth’s character have been more of a pansy? “Why are you doing this?” sniff sniff. Who cares, they’re doing it you fool!

Here’s a serial killer movie with a female lead for you, Kathleen Turner: Serial Mom. Perfect for a Junkie January or something.

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Posted: 21 August 2008 10:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Dustin Taylor - 21 August 2008 09:44 PM

Funny Games would have been awesome had it not been for Michael Pitt’s camera interaction and the whole freaking rewind seen after Naomi Watts kills off Brad Corbet. That was just dumb. Could Tim Roth’s character have been more of a pansy? “Why are you doing this?” sniff sniff. Who cares, they’re doing it you fool!

Here’s a serial killer movie with a female lead for you, Kathleen Turner: Serial Mom. Perfect for a Junkie January or something.

Funny Games is a a near shot-for-shot remake of the original, by Haneke, the original director. Pitt talking to the camera and the rewind scene were to intentionally remind the audience they are watching a movie. It was also to remind viewers that the only reason the couple is being brutalized is because the audience is still watching. The audience is as much the victimizer of this family as the people perpetrating the acts upon them. Man Bites Dog has something similar in that the audience is represented as the film crew and Ben makes them (thus us) complicit in his actions. The audience is held accountable.

Turner was awesome in Serial Mom, although I recall that movie being lackluster.

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Posted: 21 August 2008 10:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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The rewind scene and the camera interaction *make* Funny Games. Without them the film loses a significant amount of its power, and certainly loses much of what Haneke was trying to push to the audience.

I think a lot of people read too much into Haneke’s demonizing his own audience or the audience that enjoys slasher/gore/torture films. There was a lot of crying about Haneke wanting to have his cake and eat it too. I just think that it’s a film that forces the audience to be a bit introspective, and to examine why they watch the entertainment they choose to watch. And that, in my own opinion, is always a good thing.

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Posted: 22 August 2008 08:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Pitt talking to the camera and the rewind scene were to intentionally remind the audience they are watching a movie. It was also to remind viewers that the only reason the couple is being brutalized is because the audience is still watching.

I understand what he was going for there however for me the only real effect that had was to take me out of the movie that, up until that point, had really sucked me in. I guess I just don’t feel the need to be reminded that it’s due to my enjoyment of films of this nature that these characters are being forced through this hell.

And just to be clear, the Serial Mom reference was a complete joke (though it would be funny to hear you guys destroy it).

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