There is only one absolute sure way to know Jason’s status once and for all.
Whatever movie or movies one is questioning his status about, you would have to contact the writer of that particular script/story and ask hhim “Is your version of the character of Jason Vorhees a zombie or not?
Since it’s their story they can reply “Why yes, yes he is a zombie” or “No, what are you stupid?” or “get a life, dork….SECURITY!”
There is only one absolute sure way to know Jason’s status once and for all.
Whatever movie or movies one is questioning his status about, you would have to contact the writer of that particular script/story and ask hhim “Is your version of the character of Jason Vorhees a zombie or not?
Since it’s their story they can reply “Why yes, yes he is a zombie” or “No, what are you stupid?” or “get a life, dork….SECURITY!”
There, dead horse is now buried.
... but if that dead horse rises from the grave and starts killing sexed-up teens on drugs (the teens, not the risen dead horse), would that make it:
- a zombie undead horse?
- a revenant undead horse?
- a revenant ninja undead horse?!
You don’t ask the questions that can be easily answered - you ask the questions that need to be answered!
If the dead horse kills out of vengeance, it’s a revenant ninja horse. OR a metaphor, that too.
Frankenstein’s Monster is not a congressman, that was a joke.
But Jason is really a ninja revenant.
NOW, what is Jason after his transformation in Jason X? Is he UberJason revenant ninja? A cyborg zombie? A recycled revenant?
No!
He’s A DESPERATE AND VERY STUPID EXCUSE FOR A PLOT POINT. Do you know why David Cronenberg was killed off right away in that film? Right, because he read the script and said “get me the hell out of here before page 49”!
Uh, I believe the Netflix dude also called Jason a Ghoul…Hey, wait a minute, didn’t Romero call the creatures in Night of the Living Dead Ghouls?? What’s my point you ask? Basically the people from Netflix know shit about zombies and if they say it, well…
I will have to give you guys the Revenant thing though, it does seem to fit Jason pretty well
Ok, so I need a new argument to annoy Brother D. Here’s one, the Mummy is a Zombie. My argument; Romero almost called NOTLD Night of the Anubis and Anubis is the Greek god associated with Mummification, huh, how bout them apples.
Uh, I believe the Netflix dude also called Jason a Ghoul…Hey, wait a minute, didn’t Romero call the creatures in Night of the Living Dead Ghouls?? What’s my point you ask? Basically the people from Netflix know shit about zombies and if they say it, well…
I will have to give you guys the Revenant thing though, it does seem to fit Jason pretty well
Ok, so I need a new argument to annoy Brother D. Here’s one, the Mummy is a Zombie. My argument; Romero almost called NOTLD Night of the Anubis and Anubis is the Greek god associated with Mummification, huh, how bout them apples.
LMAO For added fuel to that arguement, that “Dawn of the Mummy” movie featured rather Romero-esque mummies. And they ARE technically re-animated corpses that aren’t often depicted with free-will. (Screw the Billy Zane connection, even though he was THE best part of those first two “Mummy” films.)
“Uh, I believe the Netflix dude also called Jason a Ghoul…”
I’m not one to contradict…hoho but he said Revenant first then Ghoul.
I remember it well because I punched the air in delight as I was driving my van (truck) and nearly crashed…
“Uh, I believe the Netflix dude also called Jason a Ghoul…”
I’m not one to contradict…hoho but he said Revenant first then Ghoul.
I remember it well because I punched the air in delight as I was driving my van (truck) and nearly crashed…
I conceded, Revenant it is, but can we at least agree that a Revenant is a cousin to the Zombie.
Also don’t get too excited, he said Revenant, but he also said Ghoul just proving even this guy who works for Netflix, who somehow has become the authority of all zombies, couldn’t even make up his mind.
Seriously though, what makes this Netflix dudes opinion any more relevant than yours or mine? I managed a video store for two years, a movie theater for a year, and I have a degree in A/V doesn’t that mean I know more than that guy about movies?
Jason is a Revenant, but Mummy is a Zombie!!!
I conceded, Revenant it is, but can we at least agree that a Revenant is a cousin to the Zombie.
This is true of course. But let us remember what I feel is the wisest thing that Brother D has said on his show: “Undead does not equal zombie”.
Also don’t get too excited, he said Revenant, but he also said Ghoul just proving even this guy who works for Netflix, who somehow has become the authority of all zombies, couldn’t even make up his mind.
Seriously though, what makes this Netflix dudes opinion any more relevant than yours or mine? I managed a video store for two years, a movie theater for a year, and I have a degree in A/V doesn’t that mean I know more than that guy about movies?
I’m sure you heard the hilarious episode of Mail Order Zombie wherein Brother D called Netflix to ask about films they categorized as zombie films.
He was told that the people who work there do not make those decisions. The category information usually comes with the advertising copy for the film. Sometimes a vendor like Netflix may not have that category, so they have to compromise.
I worked in ecommerce for many years, and I can tell you this is true. In fact, one common problem I had selling products for companies that sell DVD is that they couldn’t seem to provide adequate information for their products! Most of the time I had to write the copy myself. So they don’t research these things very well either. Only the fans know for sure.
Jason is a Revenant, but Mummy is a Zombie!!!
Okay then, let me ask you this: why aren’t all zombies referred to as mummies? There must be different characteristics to define each type of undead creature. Are zombies mummies?
BTW Jay, your podcast is one of my top 5 favorites. I love me some Obscure 80s.
Also Dancing Fred I’m not sure why but I like your Avatar.
Hey thanks, that only makes me slightly uncomfortable….LOL. It’s me trying to look like a zombie but ended up more like a smurf.
My adoration of Netflixguy as a font of all knowledge and wisdom was tongue-in-cheek. But I must admit I was impressed by his zombie-awareness, ghoul comment aside. I was expecting him to say that he had heard this argument on a really cool podcast! I thought it was very sweet that BroD found a friend (and a bit uncomfortable….LOL).
Ok, Jason, and may I hesitantly suggest (as mentioned over at the LibraryoftheLivingDead forums; same discussion is going on) Michael Myers (Halloween not Austin Powers) are Revenants…But the Mummy a zombie?
oOOOOoo my heart and guts are saying NOOOOO but my head is trying to work out why…. Must admit that I haven’t seen many of the old Mummies (though I did marry one..) and that we aren’t talking about the BrendanF ones so I’m not really coming from a position of knowledge here.
Hmmmm. As I understand it, he usually comes back, Mummy’s curse and all that, and doesn’t he usually just kill those that “disturb his tomb”. That’s pretty discriminating behaviour for a zombie, who usually just go on a mad brain eating spree. He seems a bit too intelligent for one of the brain-dead wonders.
Speaking of brains… don’t mummies have their brains hooked out (or sucked out with a straw? hehe) when they get embalmed? That would preclude them from being a Romerozombie, more into the Voodoo domain maybe.
Personally, I just categorise him as a ‘Mummy’, related to the zombie in the same way as a revenant, cousins maybe but still part of the whole undead happy family.
I conceded, Revenant it is, but can we at least agree that a Revenant is a cousin to the Zombie.
This is true of course. But let us remember what I feel is the wisest thing that Brother D has said on his show: “Undead does not equal zombie”.
Also don’t get too excited, he said Revenant, but he also said Ghoul just proving even this guy who works for Netflix, who somehow has become the authority of all zombies, couldn’t even make up his mind.
Seriously though, what makes this Netflix dudes opinion any more relevant than yours or mine? I managed a video store for two years, a movie theater for a year, and I have a degree in A/V doesn’t that mean I know more than that guy about movies?
I’m sure you heard the hilarious episode of Mail Order Zombie wherein Brother D called Netflix to ask about films they categorized as zombie films.
He was told that the people who work there do not make those decisions. The category information usually comes with the advertising copy for the film. Sometimes a vendor like Netflix may not have that category, so they have to compromise.
I worked in ecommerce for many years, and I can tell you this is true. In fact, one common problem I had selling products for companies that sell DVD is that they couldn’t seem to provide adequate information for their products! Most of the time I had to write the copy myself. So they don’t research these things very well either. Only the fans know for sure.
Jason is a Revenant, but Mummy is a Zombie!!!
Okay then, let me ask you this: why aren’t all zombies referred to as mummies? There must be different characteristics to define each type of undead creature. Are zombies mummies?
BTW Jay, your podcast is one of my top 5 favorites. I love me some Obscure 80s.
Hey, thanks! We try…not very hard but we try.
Fred,
You remind me of Lorne from Buffy in the pic, probably why I like it.
If Mummy is a type of Zombie it would have to be closer to the Voodoo Zombie, what with the curse and all. Mummies are definately not Revenants, they sometimes kill for revenge, but sometimes they kill just to kill, depends on which movie you watch.
Also before this discussion rages on we should point out that Possession is a valid form of Zombification, if that cannot be aknowledged then the book “The Rising” by Keene or Keane or however you spell it ( I didn’t care much for it but that’s just me)is not a Zombie novel and clearly it is.
Even in NOTLD we are never made clear as to where the “Ghouls” come from, so Demonic posession cannot be ruled out. I bring this up because as sure as my name is Emmitt someone will say Zombies are nothing more than the souls of the dead re-animating the body, or some such crap.
Even if the mummy kills for revenge or kills just to kill, it does not kill in order to feed. Zombies are stupid and sloppy, but they generally don’t go around choking someone to death then just moving on to the next victim.
The similarity between a mummy and a voodoo zombie is the fact that their urge to kill originates from a mind capable of planning and a sense of purpose. The difference between them is who is doing the directing. The voodoo priest controls the voodoo zombie, the mummy can be brought to life and controlled, but usually he’s just a really pissed off pharoah looking to get laid with some chick who looks like his dead wife.
I think a demonic possession can be ruled as it’s own category of undead. They can possess the dead, possess the living, possess the living and kill them through the act of possession, possess them and then leave them to go back to normal, or repossess them and tow them away. :D
Indeed, in NOTLD the origin of the ghouls is never clearly established. But you have to be careful what types of reanimation you include in the zombie definition.
I should point out that Romero’s definition of ghoul makes almost as much sense. Ghouls are undead who feed on human corpses, and I recall stories where they’ll take a live one if they can get it.
Maybe Romero zombies are reanimated by circus midgets who climbed up inside the corpses and act as puppeteers. And if not, somebody should make that movie because I would totally buy that DVD.
“reanimated by circus midgets who climbed up inside the corpses and act as puppeteers. And if not, somebody should make that movie because I would totally buy that DVD. ”
It’s in the cinema now; it’s called “Dave”.... tell us what you think….
LOL I’ve never been likened to Lorne before, Buffy yes, Lorne no….
